
It was about 10 years back when I first started learning the basics of email; when one day I got a chat message from a stranger. I responded out of curiosity. That person thought I was some sort of councilor due to my advocating mental health issues.
He said he is a gay person and that his parents have fixed marriage with a girl and he wanted to know my view on the matter. He was able to tell me how when he was a young boy of 10 or 11, he was seduced and sodomized by a friend of his father and he has never confided it to anyone.
As he grew He has to learn karate to regain his manhood. He also had to seduce some boys and sodomise them to regain his scarred manhood. Throughout he felt guilty but he continued and started believing he is born gay. He was afraid of marriage to a woman and that he will not able to live a normal life.
He was also emotionally entangled with a male. I somehow convinced him that his perversion is not something natural but a reaction to his childhood abuse. He married and soon he was blessed with a daughter and he said the joy of fatherhood is the greatest blessing he had.
I asked him whether he felt the urge to seduce the boys again. He said he felt it but then he also suddenly felt the same with other unmarried girls. It is the same old human urge of conquest. But his feelings for that special male person still lingers but then he knows that he is slowly learning to love his wife while loving his daughter is natural and easy.
The decriminalization of Sec 377 has raised some questions. Why this criminal action is suddenly overturned by Delhi High court? A law of the land can be only changed by the parliament and we find here two judges of high court of a small state suddenly coming out with a new law of their own.
This has set a bad precedent in that any judge can call a law as bad even if it is in force for centuries. As our Parliament of India is either sleeping or in hibernation the two so called learned judges have taken on themselves to judge an issue which is prohibited by Christian and Islamic, Sikh holy texts. Even Baba Ramdev has opposed this decriminalisation.
Who are Gays and lesbians and where do we find them in India.
1.Normally we find them in cities amongst child hood sex abuse victims.
2.Among clergy of Catholic Priesthood, Jain Munies, Hindu priesthood, Buddhist monks etc which demand CELIBACY.
3.Prisoners in jail where there is forced celibacy.
4.Foreigners Pedophiles.
In foreign countries this is practised covertly mostly in Afghanistan,Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries while it is legalised in USA and some western countries.In Pakistan the Taliban Mullah who trains child suicide bombers almost always rapes the boys so that they are forced to aspire for heaven out of shame by suicide bombing.
The Delhi High court also has put in place another dichotomy in the law which it has created by making the age of consent for “Penile non vaginal sex” as 18 years. The IPC still stands as age of consent for “penile vaginal sex” as 16!!!. A woman can give consent for sex at 16 while a male boy can give consent for gay sex only at 18! Of course age of consent for a married woman is 15!
Who is driving this law change? Though the first group is vocally active, there is an unseen hand which seem to be at work. The UPA government even had a sitting of three Ministers involving Health,Law,home to decide on this matter.They never showed the same alacrity with regard to nearly 198 laws which are pending in the parliament sub committees which are crying for attention especially the archaic Indian Lunacy act of 1912(1987 Mental health law is same as old one in that it even claims Mental illness is CURABLE!).
“Consenting Adults’ doing an act which is prohibited in law in private has not been punished in any court of law in India. I know some child getting sodomized being punished. But I do not KNOW a single case in which gay sex between consenting adults being charged and punished in a court of law. for example even adultery is between consenting adults and is cited mostly as an evidence but not for prosecution when an aggrieved wife or husband brings up the case for divorce. Then why the hurry for decriminalizing this act of gay sex. who are behind it?
My view is those male rapists who seduce and sodomize young boys in high society are the motivating force behind this along with influential Pedophiles of west. Male Rape is a crime which is almost never reported due to the psyche of male whose manhood also gets demolished by the act of sodomy. A weaker sex can always report it if she can overcome the stigma associated with it as she is always overpowered by a tougher male.
In male rape the raped boy finds his psyche is also destroyed along with his physical scar. So the powerful Gays who seduce young boys used media to highlight the protest by Jamaat-e-Islam-Hind as one of Muslim theocracy while as per ancient Khajuraho sculptures Hindus practiced homo sexuality and so they are LIBERAL. Of course this 377 is a section created during British times and so the liberal opinion must support the change of this archaic law and so the argument goes. Does this have anything to do with prohibition of ragging? Ragging is actually male rapes in most of the south Indian professional colleges.
This law could not be complete without permission for GAY MARRIAGE and as such soon it will have this clamour by the jilted gay boys. When Delhi High court decriminalized the homosexual behavior it has raised some fundamental issues in our society. Section 377 of the IPC reads — “Whoever voluntarily has carnal intercourse against the order of nature with any man, woman or animal shall be punished with [imprisonment for life], or with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to ten years, and shall also be liable to fine. Penetration is sufficient to constitute the carnal intercourse necessary to the offence described in this section”.
Let the above section remain as decriminalization of the above behavior will damage our social fabric. Let this sexual behaviour between” consenting adults’ remain behind closed doors as adultery is.
Sex is for procreation anything else is perversion as the bees, birds, animals teach us.
Chances of AIDS is not going to be reduced by this legisltaion but by use of CONDOMS.Why not legalise prostitution because Sexually transmitted disceases are caused by it?By the way how many AIDS sufferers who are not gay are going to doctors voluntarily? NIL
You are very right. This is not going to reduce the chances of AIDS. Though the decision is very good but the logic of controlling the AIDS with this is not good.
When you remove the hurdles in way of wild behaviour then be sure you are creating room for new set of problems.That’s the risk involved in decrimininalisation.You are not only giving rise to new set of complexities but also giving rise to people having an inclination towards lesser heard behaviour who,due to fear of law, would otherwise have kept their desires in check.
Amend the constitution for killing the contradiction prevailing in other important affairs.What’s the point in amending the Constitution for an act that’s limited to a small group ?What’s the urgency,my friend ?
Only those rights do no make us feel uncomfortable.
Only those rights that do not make us feel uncomfortable.
You mean to say that homosexuality shouldn't have been decriminalized. You have given contradictory statements. You are advocating for allowing the people to engage in homosexuality while keeping it as criminal activity.
There arre plenty of activity prohibited by law and society which we do as we are humans.Like ADULTERY for instance between consenting adults.So far nobody in India is convicted for ”adultery” or for ”consenting homosexual activity”. Like the 15,000 Catholic preists in USA who seduced and sodomised boys in USA.No catholic preist is either convicted or defrocked.
There are men who have relations with sheep, it is his personal choice and the goat cannot complain.But then as long it is criminal he has to do it in FOUR CORNERS OF WALLS.So also Homosexual activity, if both are consenting adults, have it within four corners of walls.
do not ask for social sanction.Even if some two judges or ten of supremcourt permit it, Islam,Christianity,Akhal Takht,Hindu preists donot permit it.
You mean to say that we should not allow the people to do what they want just in the name of culture and tradition. Why are we allowing many other things in the society which were not a part of India culture earlier?
”Why this criminal action is suddenly overturned by Delhi High court? ”
”But I do not KNOW a single case in which gay sex between consenting adults being charged and punished in a court of law.”
So that answers the ”why SUDDENLY?” question.
”Law of the land can be changed only by the Parliament”
They should only change it so that it is to be in-line with the Constitution.
As per Article 13(2) The State shall not make any law which takes away or abridges the rights conferred by this Part (Fundamental Rights) and any law made in contravention of this clause shall, to the extent of the contravention, be void.
Chief Justice A P Shah and Justice S Murlidhar found IPC 377 violative of Articles 14, 21 and 15 of the Constitution.
I agree with them 100% because thats equality before law. The State shall not discriminate against any citizen on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth or any of them.
None of the 4 vedas or Bhagavat Gita mentioned anything against homosexuality. But Bhagavat gita in 5.22 says
”yehi samsparsa-ja bhoga duhkha-yonaya eva te
ady-antavantah kaunteya na tesu ramate budhah”
means pleasures arising from contact of sensory organs are source of misery and pain and those who are spiritually intelligent will not indulge in that. This is applicable to everyone no matter what their sexual orientation is.
Your definition of gay/lesbian is totally absurd
Sexual orientation develops across a person’s lifetime — different people realize at different points in their lives that they are heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual. It is not ’Perversion. If you can enjoy sex with same sex atleast in your fantasies then you are homosexual or bisexual. Homosexual and bisexual behavior are widespread in the animal kingdom: a 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior, has been observed in close to 1500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them.
Hetrosexuals are not superior to any other sexual orientations and vice versa. Whoever cant accept the creation of God are insulting HIM and are homophobic.
Homophobia is a fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexual people. It manifests in different forms, and a number of different types have been postulated, among which are internalized homophobia, social homophobia, emotional homophobia, rationalized homophobia, and others. Similar is lesbophobia (specifically targeting lesbians) and biphobia (against bisexual people). These people need to get immediate medical help before they commit some hate-crime.
Cultural advocates should read Chapter IX Kama Sutra: On Homosexuality.
If Sex is for procreation and anything else is perversion then does Captain suggest everyone to do intercourse only one or two times in their life time?
I would also like to point out that a study done in 2006 says the 46% of men who have sex with men in India are also married. It was illegal then but still almost half were doing it and probably spreading HIV/AIDS to their wives and their wives were spreading it to their babies. The guy in this story likely will or has already done so.
I said ”Sex is for Procreation”.You can procreat only by having sex with opposite sex only.Pleasure is a bonus but it is not the purpose.
Just imagine a world where everyone is Homo sexual.What happens to human race?
Personal freedom, Personal choice.
My personal choice is to sodmise young children.Can the state allow it?
If one person wants to have sex with his own daughter and he gets consent from her.Does the state or society have no role to play?Ofcourse it is the personal choice of both adults.
There is no question about incest or perversion here, you got it totally wrong. You better read yourself how many are doing sex with blood relation here
http://specials.digitaltoday.in/sexysecrets/Incest-partner-in-act.shtml
homosexuality is far better than that, from a social or cultural stand point!!!
Captain
We should accept the reality.
What happened to those families? Hemophilia, insanity, retardation, miscarriages and physical deformities. Until the point where there was no one left to carry on the line. They had to start making alliances marrying from other families.
Infinite diversity in infinite combinations is the only thing that keeps genetic lines strong, whether it is crops, livestock or humans.
Look at the Irish potato famine, there was no diversity... none in their diets, none in the variety of potato and none in the type of livelihood. So when the blight struck, it moved quickly because the crops all had the same degree of resistance. There was nothing else to turn to eat because it was the only crop and the only source of income. A million people starved and another million migrated.
Now just think if all the people in the world through out history had all been heterosexual and all bent on reproducing as soon and as often as they could as per the orders of religion?
Diversity is a good thing.
In 1996,The Religious party began a campaign for all sex education be stopped and replaced with abstinence only programs . They demanded that no federal tax money be used for sex education. They got their way and The cases of AIDS/HIV began to rise as well as the cases of teen pregnancy which had declined every year for 12 straight years prior to the religious classes on abstinence.
The abstinence only classes teach that condoms have a high failure rate and are not to be trusted. Any attempt to provide condoms to high risk groups was also stopped.
Here is the kicker... The US government had been funding sex education in Africa too but they replaced it with the abstinence only curriculum as well. They also stopped funding any family planning. The results of all that have been devastating.
Thanks to George Bush, 15 billion dollars has been spent to spread misinformation!!!!! Not that that should come as a surprise to anyone.
The damage that they have done is not fake, sad to say.
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Chances of AIDS is not going to be reduced by this legisltaion but by use of CONDOMS.Why not legalise prostitution because Sexually transmitted disceases are caused by it?By the way how many AIDS sufferers who are not gay are going to doctors voluntarily? NIL
It hardly matters that whether it is going to reduce chances of AIDS or not. The only question is of freedom and personal choice. This judgment is historical from the point of personal freedom.
You are very right. This is not going to reduce the chances of AIDS. Though the decision is very good but the logic of controlling the AIDS with this is not good.
You mean to say that homosexuality shouldn't have been decriminalized. You have given contradictory statements. You are advocating for allowing the people to engage in homosexuality while keeping it as criminal activity.
We have to also keep in mind what precedents are set by such ”freedom and personal choice”.We cannot justify our love for dubious activities in name of honouring freedom and personal choice.
Such judgments are going to topple the very tenets of an ideal society by encouraging love for things not in tune with natural order of living.
Mr Avdhut just tell me what happens if in name of honuoring freedom and personal choice one has consensual sex with a minor? Will the law justify this act in name of freedom and personal choice ?
In my eyes, one should always be conscious of results of his/her personal choices.
Amend the constitution for killing the contradiction prevailing in other important affairs.What’s the point in amending the Constitution for an act that’s limited to a small group ?What’s the urgency,my friend ?
Only those rights do no make us feel uncomfortable.
Only those rights that do not make us feel uncomfortable.
I said ”Sex is for Procreation”.You can procreat only by having sex with opposite sex only.Pleasure is a bonus but it is not the purpose.
Just imagine a world where everyone is Homo sexual.What happens to human race?
Personal freedom, Personal choice.
My personal choice is to sodmise young children.Can the state allow it?
If one person wants to have sex with his own daughter and he gets consent from her.Does the state or society have no role to play?Ofcourse it is the personal choice of both adults.
There arre plenty of activity prohibited by law and society which we do as we are humans.Like ADULTERY for instance between consenting adults.So far nobody in India is convicted for ”adultery” or for ”consenting homosexual activity”. Like the 15,000 Catholic preists in USA who seduced and sodomised boys in USA.No catholic preist is either convicted or defrocked.
There are men who have relations with sheep, it is his personal choice and the goat cannot complain.But then as long it is criminal he has to do it in FOUR CORNERS OF WALLS.So also Homosexual activity, if both are consenting adults, have it within four corners of walls.
do not ask for social sanction.Even if some two judges or ten of supremcourt permit it, Islam,Christianity,Akhal Takht,Hindu preists donot permit it.
Captain
We should accept the reality.
You mean to say that we should not allow the people to do what they want just in the name of culture and tradition. Why are we allowing many other things in the society which were not a part of India culture earlier?
When you remove the hurdles in way of wild behaviour then be sure you are creating room for new set of problems.That’s the risk involved in decrimininalisation.You are not only giving rise to new set of complexities but also giving rise to people having an inclination towards lesser heard behaviour who,due to fear of law, would otherwise have kept their desires in check.
Global Opinions (9)
”Why this criminal action is suddenly overturned by Delhi High court? ”
”But I do not KNOW a single case in which gay sex between consenting adults being charged and punished in a court of law.”
So that answers the ”why SUDDENLY?” question.
”Law of the land can be changed only by the Parliament”
They should only change it so that it is to be in-line with the Constitution.
As per Article 13(2) The State shall not make any law which takes away or abridges the rights conferred by this Part (Fundamental Rights) and any law made in contravention of this clause shall, to the extent of the contravention, be void.
Chief Justice A P Shah and Justice S Murlidhar found IPC 377 violative of Articles 14, 21 and 15 of the Constitution.
I agree with them 100% because thats equality before law. The State shall not discriminate against any citizen on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth or any of them.
None of the 4 vedas or Bhagavat Gita mentioned anything against homosexuality. But Bhagavat gita in 5.22 says
”yehi samsparsa-ja bhoga duhkha-yonaya eva te
ady-antavantah kaunteya na tesu ramate budhah”
means pleasures arising from contact of sensory organs are source of misery and pain and those who are spiritually intelligent will not indulge in that. This is applicable to everyone no matter what their sexual orientation is.
Your definition of gay/lesbian is totally absurd
Sexual orientation develops across a person’s lifetime — different people realize at different points in their lives that they are heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual. It is not ’Perversion. If you can enjoy sex with same sex atleast in your fantasies then you are homosexual or bisexual. Homosexual and bisexual behavior are widespread in the animal kingdom: a 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior, has been observed in close to 1500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them.
Hetrosexuals are not superior to any other sexual orientations and vice versa. Whoever cant accept the creation of God are insulting HIM and are homophobic.
Homophobia is a fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexual people. It manifests in different forms, and a number of different types have been postulated, among which are internalized homophobia, social homophobia, emotional homophobia, rationalized homophobia, and others. Similar is lesbophobia (specifically targeting lesbians) and biphobia (against bisexual people). These people need to get immediate medical help before they commit some hate-crime.
Cultural advocates should read Chapter IX Kama Sutra: On Homosexuality.
If Sex is for procreation and anything else is perversion then does Captain suggest everyone to do intercourse only one or two times in their life time?
I would also like to point out that a study done in 2006 says the 46% of men who have sex with men in India are also married. It was illegal then but still almost half were doing it and probably spreading HIV/AIDS to their wives and their wives were spreading it to their babies. The guy in this story likely will or has already done so.
In 1996,The Religious party began a campaign for all sex education be stopped and replaced with abstinence only programs . They demanded that no federal tax money be used for sex education. They got their way and The cases of AIDS/HIV began to rise as well as the cases of teen pregnancy which had declined every year for 12 straight years prior to the religious classes on abstinence.
The abstinence only classes teach that condoms have a high failure rate and are not to be trusted. Any attempt to provide condoms to high risk groups was also stopped.
Here is the kicker... The US government had been funding sex education in Africa too but they replaced it with the abstinence only curriculum as well. They also stopped funding any family planning. The results of all that have been devastating.
Thanks to George Bush, 15 billion dollars has been spent to spread misinformation!!!!! Not that that should come as a surprise to anyone.
The damage that they have done is not fake, sad to say.
There is no question about incest or perversion here, you got it totally wrong. You better read yourself how many are doing sex with blood relation here
http://specials.digitaltoday.in/sexysecrets/Incest-partner-in-act.shtml
homosexuality is far better than that, from a social or cultural stand point!!!
What happened to those families? Hemophilia, insanity, retardation, miscarriages and physical deformities. Until the point where there was no one left to carry on the line. They had to start making alliances marrying from other families.
Infinite diversity in infinite combinations is the only thing that keeps genetic lines strong, whether it is crops, livestock or humans.
Look at the Irish potato famine, there was no diversity... none in their diets, none in the variety of potato and none in the type of livelihood. So when the blight struck, it moved quickly because the crops all had the same degree of resistance. There was nothing else to turn to eat because it was the only crop and the only source of income. A million people starved and another million migrated.
Now just think if all the people in the world through out history had all been heterosexual and all bent on reproducing as soon and as often as they could as per the orders of religion?
Diversity is a good thing.
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It hardly matters that whether it is going to reduce chances of AIDS or not. The only question is of freedom and personal choice. This judgment is historical from the point of personal freedom.
We have to also keep in mind what precedents are set by such ”freedom and personal choice”.We cannot justify our love for dubious activities in name of honouring freedom and personal choice.
Such judgments are going to topple the very tenets of an ideal society by encouraging love for things not in tune with natural order of living.
Mr Avdhut just tell me what happens if in name of honuoring freedom and personal choice one has consensual sex with a minor? Will the law justify this act in name of freedom and personal choice ?
In my eyes, one should always be conscious of results of his/her personal choices.